All explanations & MIDI profiles for Roland V-Drums TD-25

[saih_tam]

Hi everybody.

I'm sorry for my bad English. Firstly, Big thanks to all the contributors...

In the 2 years I’ve been playing Phase Shift, I’ve understood a lot about MIDI profiles. Big thanks to djlastnight whose application (PsMidiProfiler) saved me when I was lost and allowed me to start with Phase Shift. It is downloadable here : github.com/djlastnight/PsMidiProfiler/releases

In this thread, I would like to share this information with other users. Thus, I attached my 'midi_profiles.ini' (C:\Program Files (x86)\Phase Shift\settings\midi_profiles.ini) renamed 'midi_profiles by saih_tam.ini' which I have detailed and commented a lot to bring everything together in one file.

I'll also copy/paste this information in following posts but tabulations will unfortunately disappear.

Everything is better laid out in 'midi_profiles by saih_tam.ini'.

I hope this will help somebody...

Here is 'midi_profiles by saih_tam.ini' : midi_profiles by saih_tam.ini (15.19 KB)

[saih_tam]

Preliminary Phase Shift information :

<TYPE>t</TYPE>
t = 0 : drums (for "Drums" mode and "Drums Adv" mode)
t = 1 : guitar (no more info)
t = 2 : game pad (no more info)
t = 3 : PC keyboard (no more info) (auto midi-link)
t = 4 : keys (no more info)
t = 5 : real drums (for "Drums Real" mode)
t = 6 : real guitar (no more info)
t = 7 : dance pad (no more info)

<METHOD>m</METHOD>
m = 1 : normal/default
m = 2 : sysex
m = 3 : CC#4 hi-hat (CC#4 means Control Change also called Foot Control)

Note that :
4 = Rock Band "4 lane" also called "Drums" (<TYPE>0</TYPE>)
5 = Guitar Hero "5 lane" also called "Drums" (<TYPE>0</TYPE>)
7 = Rock Band or Phase Shift "7 lane" also called "Drums Adv" (<TYPE>0</TYPE>)
R = Phase Shift "Drums Real" (<TYPE>5</TYPE>)

<BUTTONS>
BASS [4,5,7,R]
RED [4,5,7,R]
YELLOW [4,5,7,R + METHOD = 3]
YELLOW_C [R + METHOD = 1] closed hi-hat
YELLOW_O [R + METHOD = 1] open hi-hat
YELLOW_S [R + METHOD = 1] sizzled hi-hat
YELLOW_P [R + METHOD = 1] only pedal hi-hat
YELLOW_TOM [7,R]
BLUE [4,5,7,R]
BLUE_TOM [7,R]
ORANGE [5]
GREEN [4,5,7,R]
GREEN_TOM [7,R]

UP
DOWN
LEFT
RIGHT
BACK {BackSpace} Select
START {TAB}

STRUMUP {Enter}
STRUMDOWN {RightShift}
WHAMMY {Delete}
</BUTTONS>

[saih_tam]

Further Phase Shift information :

In "Drums" mode and "Drums Adv" mode (<TYPE>0</TYPE>), with <METHOD>1</METHOD>, hi-hat only pedal mustn't be assigned to YELLOW to avoid duplicated notes.

In "Drums Real" mode (<TYPE>5</TYPE>) :
- Phase Shift displays 2 different symbols on snare's lane but, despite appearances, head hit and rim shot (as well as cross stick) are not implemented separately. So <RED> has to be affected to all snare's MIDI notes.
- Phase Shift displays 4 different symbols on hi-hat's lane but, despite appearances, only 3 different notes are implemented separately : YELLOW_O = YELLOW_S

In "Drums Real" mode (<TYPE>5</TYPE>), with <METHOD>1</METHOD>, YELLOW_C, YELLOW_O, YELLOW_S and YELLOW_P must be assigned separatly.

In "Drums Real" mode (<TYPE>5</TYPE>), with <METHOD>3</METHOD>, only YELLOW button need to be assigned to 'note on' of hi-hat bow hit and edge hit. Edrums with pedal hi-hat accelerometer produce 'CC#4' + 'note on/off' events. Phase Shift remembers the last 'CC#4' velocity message and hi-hat messages that follow will be interpreted as YELLOW_C/O/P/S depending on :
- CC#4 [0-79] + pad hit = open
- CC#4 [80-119] + pad hit = sizzled (ie slight or small opening)
- CC#4 [120-126] + pad hit = closed
- CC#4 127 = only pedal (it plays a closed hi-hat, even if you don't hit the pad).

In "Drums Real" mode (<TYPE>5</TYPE>), with <METHOD>3</METHOD>, YELLOW_C, YELLOW_O, YELLOW_S and YELLOW_P could be assigned in complement if necessary.

In "Drums Real" mode (<TYPE>5</TYPE>), there are 2 charting methods :
-R1- method :
Some charters use YELLOW_C for [cymbal hit and closed_HH hit] and [YELLOW_S or YELLOW_O] for open_HH's nuances (sizzled or open).
-R2- method :
Other charters use YELLOW_C only for cymbals and YELLOW_S for closed_HH (with a custom 'png') and YELLOW_O for sizzled/open_HH.
Let's see here for more details on this custom closed_HH 'png' that I have improved : dwsk.proboards.com/thread/2955/drums-notes-cleaned-closed-sizzle
And let's see here for more details on this 2 "Drums Real" charting methods : dwsk.proboards.com/thread/2950/2-methods-drums-real-charting

[saih_tam]

MIDI affectations of Roland V-Drums TD-25 :

kick : (K)
36 kick
snare : (S)
37 snare cross stick (only on 'SNR' input and if a "SNARE XSTK" or an "X STICK" is selected)
38 snare head hit
40 snare rim shot
hi-hat : (HH)
42 closed hi-hat bow hit
22 closed hi-hat edge hit
46 open hi-hat bow hit
26 open hi-hat edge hit
44 hi-hat only pedal
high tom : (T1)
48 high tom head hit
50 high tom rim shot
medium tom : (T2)
45 medium tom head hit
47 medium tom rim shot
floor tom : (T3)
43 floor tom head hit
58 floor tom rim shot
left crash/splash cymbal : (C1) on "AUX" "TRIGGER IN" of TD-25
27 left crash/splash cymbal bow hit
28 left crash/splash cymbal edge hit
crash/splash cymbal : (C2)
49 crash/splash cymbal bow hit
55 crash/splash cymbal edge hit
ride cymbal : (R)
51 ride cymbal bow hit
53 ride cymbal bell
59 ride cymbal edge hit
right crash/splash cymbal : (C3) on "CRASH2" "TRIGGER IN" of TD-25
57 right crash/splash cymbal bow hit
52 right crash/splash cymbal edge hit

In order to identify the MIDI affectations of your electronic drum kit module, you can use PsMidiProfiler (github.com/djlastnight/PsMidiProfiler/releases) or MIDI-OX (www.midiox.com/).

[saih_tam]

Further Roland V-Drums TD-25 information :

Roland V-Drums TD-25 module only send hi-hat 'CC#4' between [0~90]. I have to modify this values in real time to work with Phase Shift. Here is the recalculation :
CC#4_V-Drums[0~90] / 90 x 127 => CC#4_Phase-Shift[0~127]
I use loopMIDI and MIDI-OX (Options /Data Mapping) to realize this.
Solution found thanks to Breathe on MIDI-OX forum : www.midiox.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=query;action=display;num=1659265685

Roland VH-11 with TD-25
Option 1 :
If you set the 'HH Note# Border' to 127, the module will only ever send the open hi-hat notes (bow hit 46, edge hit 26) and the 'CC#4' control message (between [0~90]) indicates the pedal position to the VST. It will then be up to the VST to determine which sound to play for which 'CC#4' value.

Option 2 :
If you set the 'HH Note# Border' to anything less than 127 (90 by default), the module will send the open hi-hat notes (bow hit 46, edge hit 26) when the pedal position is above 'HH Note# Border' and the closed hi-hat notes (bow hit 42, edge hit 22) when the pedal position is below 'HH Note# Border'. So there will be a distinct cut over between the open and closed notes. The VST would then decide which sound to play for which MIDI note received.
Thus :
- if 'HH Note# Border' = 0 : all the MIDI notes are 42 or 22 (closed hi-hat)
- if 'HH Note# Border' > 90 : all the MIDI notes are 46 or 26 (open hi-hat)

[saih_tam]

For me :

In "Drums Real" mode, I tried to play with <TYPE>5</TYPE> & <METHOD>3</METHOD> but C1 cymbal assigned to YELLOW and charted as YELLOW_C didn't work when I was playing double bass pedal. Indeed, when my feet wasn't on hi-hat pedal, CC#4 = 0 and Phase Shift interpreted that as YELLOW_O. I had to implement YELLOW_C to fix this problem. Moreover, 'CC#4' interpretation of Phase Shift didn't match my playing and I didn't find how to tune it (I think we can't).
Thus I play now with <TYPE>5</TYPE> & <METHOD>1</METHOD> and I tune the 'HH Note# Border' parameter of my V-Drums module to match my playing. I found that set the 'HH Note# Border' value to 73 is perfect for me.

[saih_tam]

<DEVICE>
<NAME>Rock Band "Drums Adv" for Roland TD-25 (MIDI profile by saih_tam)</NAME>
<DESCRIPTION>YELLOW = closed_HH&C1, BLUE = open_HH&R, GREEN = C2&C3, HH Note# Border = 73</DESCRIPTION>
<TYPE>0</TYPE>
<METHOD>1</METHOD>
<IGNORE>
Display order from left to right in Phase Shift for Rock Band "Drums Adv" charts :
RED, YELLOW, YELLOW_TOM, BLUE, BLUE_TOM, GREEN, GREEN_TOM
</IGNORE>
<BUTTONS>
<BASS> 36,9,0</BASS> <!-- K -->
<RED> 37,9,0</RED> <!-- S -->
<RED> 38,9,0</RED>
<RED> 40,9,0</RED>
<YELLOW> 42,9,0</YELLOW> <!-- closed HH -->
<YELLOW> 22,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW> 27,9,0</YELLOW> <!-- C1 -->
<YELLOW> 28,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW_TOM>48,9,0</YELLOW_TOM> <!-- T1 -->
<YELLOW_TOM>50,9,0</YELLOW_TOM>
<BLUE> 46,9,0</BLUE> <!-- open HH -->
<BLUE> 26,9,0</BLUE>
<BLUE> 51,9,0</BLUE> <!-- R -->
<BLUE> 59,9,0</BLUE>
<BLUE> 53,9,0</BLUE>
<BLUE_TOM> 45,9,0</BLUE_TOM> <!-- T2 -->
<BLUE_TOM> 47,9,0</BLUE_TOM>
<GREEN> 49,9,0</GREEN> <!-- C2 -->
<GREEN> 55,9,0</GREEN>
<GREEN> 57,9,0</GREEN> <!-- C3 -->
<GREEN> 52,9,0</GREEN>
<GREEN_TOM> 43,9,0</GREEN_TOM> <!-- T3 -->
<GREEN_TOM> 58,9,0</GREEN_TOM>
</BUTTONS>
</DEVICE>

[saih_tam]

<DEVICE>

<NAME>Rock Band "4-lane" played as "Drums Adv" for Roland TD-25 (MIDI profile by saih_tam)</NAME>
<DESCRIPTION>YELLOW = closed_HH&T1&C1, BLUE = open_HH&T2&R, GREEN = T3&C2&C3, HH_N#B = 73</DESCRIPTION>
<TYPE>0</TYPE>
<METHOD>1</METHOD>
<IGNORE>
Display order from left to right in Phase Shift for Rock Band "4-lane" played as "Drums Adv" charts :
RED, YELLOW, BLUE, GREEN
</IGNORE>
<BUTTONS>
<BASS> 36,9,0</BASS> <!-- K -->
<RED> 38,9,0</RED> <!-- S -->
<RED> 40,9,0</RED>
<YELLOW>42,9,0</YELLOW> <!-- closed HH -->
<YELLOW>22,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW>27,9,0</YELLOW> <!-- C1 -->
<YELLOW>28,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW>48,9,0</YELLOW> <!-- T1 -->
<YELLOW>50,9,0</YELLOW>
<BLUE> 46,9,0</BLUE> <!-- open HH -->
<BLUE> 26,9,0</BLUE>
<BLUE> 51,9,0</BLUE> <!-- R -->
<BLUE> 59,9,0</BLUE>
<BLUE> 53,9,0</BLUE>
<BLUE> 45,9,0</BLUE> <!-- T2 -->
<BLUE> 47,9,0</BLUE>
<GREEN> 49,9,0</GREEN> <!-- C2 -->
<GREEN> 55,9,0</GREEN>
<GREEN> 57,9,0</GREEN> <!-- C3 -->
<GREEN> 52,9,0</GREEN>
<GREEN> 43,9,0</GREEN> <!-- T3 -->
<GREEN> 58,9,0</GREEN>
</BUTTONS>
</DEVICE>

[saih_tam]

<DEVICE>

<NAME>Phase Shift M1 "Drums Real -R1-" for Roland TD-25 (MIDI profile by saih_tam)</NAME>
<DESCRIPTION>HH Note# Border = 73, TYPE-5 (Drums Real), METHOD-1 (without CC#4)</DESCRIPTION>
<TYPE>5</TYPE>
<METHOD>1</METHOD>
<IGNORE>
Display order from left to right in Phase Shift for "Drums Real" charts :
RED, YELLOW, YELLOW_TOM, BLUE, BLUE_TOM, GREEN, GREEN_TOM
</IGNORE>
<BUTTONS>
<BASS> 36,9,0</BASS> <!-- K -->
<RED> 37,9,0</RED> <!-- S -->
<RED> 38,9,0</RED>
<RED> 40,9,0</RED>
<YELLOW_C> 27,9,0</YELLOW_C> <!-- C1 -->
<YELLOW_C> 28,9,0</YELLOW_C>
<YELLOW_C> 42,9,0</YELLOW_C> <!-- closed HH -->
<YELLOW_C> 22,9,0</YELLOW_C>
<YELLOW_O> 46,9,0</YELLOW_O> <!-- open HH and sizzled HH -->
<YELLOW_O> 26,9,0</YELLOW_O>
<YELLOW_P> 44,9,0</YELLOW_P> <!-- HH only pedal -->
<YELLOW_TOM>48,9,0</YELLOW_TOM> <!-- T1 -->
<YELLOW_TOM>50,9,0</YELLOW_TOM>
<BLUE> 51,9,0</BLUE> <!-- R -->
<BLUE> 59,9,0</BLUE>
<BLUE> 53,9,0</BLUE>
<BLUE_TOM> 45,9,0</BLUE_TOM> <!-- T2 -->
<BLUE_TOM> 47,9,0</BLUE_TOM>
<GREEN> 49,9,0</GREEN> <!-- C2 -->
<GREEN> 55,9,0</GREEN>
<GREEN> 57,9,0</GREEN> <!-- C3 -->
<GREEN> 52,9,0</GREEN>
<GREEN_TOM> 43,9,0</GREEN_TOM> <!-- T3 -->
<GREEN_TOM> 58,9,0</GREEN_TOM>
</BUTTONS>
</DEVICE>

[saih_tam]

<DEVICE>
<NAME>Phase Shift M1 "Drums Real -R2-" for Roland TD-25 (MIDI profile by saih_tam)</NAME>
<DESCRIPTION>HH Note# Border = 73, TYPE-5 (Drums Real), METHOD-1 (without CC#4)</DESCRIPTION>
<TYPE>5</TYPE>
<METHOD>1</METHOD>
<IGNORE>
Display order from left to right in Phase Shift for "Drums Real" charts :
RED, YELLOW, YELLOW_TOM, BLUE, BLUE_TOM, GREEN, GREEN_TOM
</IGNORE>
<BUTTONS>
<BASS> 36,9,0</BASS> <!-- K -->
<RED> 37,9,0</RED> <!-- S -->
<RED> 38,9,0</RED>
<RED> 40,9,0</RED>
<YELLOW_C> 27,9,0</YELLOW_C> <!-- C1 -->
<YELLOW_C> 28,9,0</YELLOW_C>
<YELLOW_S> 42,9,0</YELLOW_S> <!-- closed HH -->
<YELLOW_S> 22,9,0</YELLOW_S>
<YELLOW_O> 46,9,0</YELLOW_O> <!-- open HH and sizzled HH -->
<YELLOW_O> 26,9,0</YELLOW_O>
<YELLOW_P> 44,9,0</YELLOW_P> <!-- HH only pedal -->
<YELLOW_TOM>48,9,0</YELLOW_TOM> <!-- T1 -->
<YELLOW_TOM>50,9,0</YELLOW_TOM>
<BLUE> 51,9,0</BLUE> <!-- R -->
<BLUE> 59,9,0</BLUE>
<BLUE> 53,9,0</BLUE>
<BLUE_TOM> 45,9,0</BLUE_TOM> <!-- T2 -->
<BLUE_TOM> 47,9,0</BLUE_TOM>
<GREEN> 49,9,0</GREEN> <!-- C2 -->
<GREEN> 55,9,0</GREEN>
<GREEN> 57,9,0</GREEN> <!-- C3 -->
<GREEN> 52,9,0</GREEN>
<GREEN_TOM> 43,9,0</GREEN_TOM> <!-- T3 -->
<GREEN_TOM> 58,9,0</GREEN_TOM>
</BUTTONS>
</DEVICE>

[saih_tam]

<DEVICE>
<NAME>Phase Shift M3 "Drums Real" & 'CC#4' for Roland TD-25 (MIDI profile by saih_tam)</NAME>
<DESCRIPTION>HH Note# Border = 73, TYPE-5 (Drums Real), METHOD-3 (with CC#4)</DESCRIPTION>
<TYPE>5</TYPE>
<METHOD>3</METHOD>
<IGNORE>
Display order from left to right in Phase Shift for "Drums Real" charts :
RED, YELLOW, YELLOW_TOM, BLUE, BLUE_TOM, GREEN, GREEN_TOM
</IGNORE>
<BUTTONS>
<BASS> 36,9,0</BASS> <!-- K -->
<RED> 37,9,0</RED> <!-- S -->
<RED> 38,9,0</RED>
<RED> 40,9,0</RED>
<YELLOW> 42,9,0</YELLOW> <!-- HH + 'CC#4' -->
<YELLOW> 22,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW> 46,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW> 26,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW_C> 27,9,0</YELLOW_C> <!-- C1 -->
<YELLOW_C> 28,9,0</YELLOW_C>
<YELLOW_TOM>48,9,0</YELLOW_TOM> <!-- T1 -->
<YELLOW_TOM>50,9,0</YELLOW_TOM>
<BLUE> 51,9,0</BLUE> <!-- R -->
<BLUE> 59,9,0</BLUE>
<BLUE> 53,9,0</BLUE>
<BLUE_TOM> 45,9,0</BLUE_TOM> <!-- T2 -->
<BLUE_TOM> 47,9,0</BLUE_TOM>
<GREEN> 49,9,0</GREEN> <!-- C2 -->
<GREEN> 55,9,0</GREEN>
<GREEN> 57,9,0</GREEN> <!-- C3 -->
<GREEN> 52,9,0</GREEN>
<GREEN_TOM> 43,9,0</GREEN_TOM> <!-- T3 -->
<GREEN_TOM> 58,9,0</GREEN_TOM>
</BUTTONS>
</DEVICE>

[saih_tam]

<DEVICE>

<NAME>Guitar Hero "5-lane" played as "Drums Adv" for Roland TD-25 (MIDI profile by saih_tam)</NAME>
<DESCRIPTION> YELLOW = HH&C1&C3, GREEN = C2&R, BLUE_TOM = T1&T2, Star Power if BLUE = T1 rim, HH_N#B = 73</DESCRIPTION>
<TYPE>0</TYPE>
<METHOD>1</METHOD>
<IGNORE>
Transposition and display order from left to right in Phase Shift for Guitar Hero "5-lane" played as "Drums Adv" charts :
RED, YELLOW, BLUE -> BLUE_TOM, ORANGE -> GREEN, GREEN -> GREEN_TOM
</IGNORE>
<BUTTONS>
<BASS> 36,9,0</BASS> <!-- K -->
<RED> 37,9,0</RED> <!-- S -->
<RED> 38,9,0</RED>
<RED> 40,9,0</RED>
<YELLOW> 42,9,0</YELLOW> <!-- HH -->
<YELLOW> 22,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW> 46,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW> 26,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW> 27,9,0</YELLOW> <!-- C1 -->
<YELLOW> 28,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW> 57,9,0</YELLOW> <!-- C3 -->
<YELLOW> 52,9,0</YELLOW>
<BLUE> 50,9,0</BLUE> <!-- T1 rim = Star Power -->
<BLUE_TOM> 48,9,0</BLUE_TOM> <!-- T1 head -->
<BLUE_TOM> 45,9,0</BLUE_TOM> <!-- T2 -->
<BLUE_TOM> 47,9,0</BLUE_TOM>
<GREEN> 49,9,0</GREEN> <!-- C2 -->
<GREEN> 55,9,0</GREEN>
<GREEN> 51,9,0</GREEN> <!-- R -->
<GREEN> 59,9,0</GREEN>
<GREEN> 53,9,0</GREEN>
<GREEN_TOM> 43,9,0</GREEN_TOM> <!-- T3 -->
<GREEN_TOM> 58,9,0</GREEN_TOM>
</BUTTONS>
</DEVICE>

[saih_tam]

<DEVICE>
<NAME>Guitar Hero "5-lane" for Roland TD-25 (MIDI profile by saih_tam)</NAME>
<DESCRIPTION>RED, YELLOW = HH&C1&C3, BLUE = T1&T2, ORANGE = C2&R, GREEN, HH_N#B = 73</DESCRIPTION>
<TYPE>0</TYPE>
<METHOD>1</METHOD>
<IGNORE>
Display order from left to right in Phase Shift for Guitar Hero "5-lane" charts :
RED, YELLOW, BLUE, ORANGE, GREEN
</IGNORE>
<BUTTONS>
<BASS> 36,9,0</BASS> <!-- K -->
<RED> 37,9,0</RED> <!-- S -->
<RED> 38,9,0</RED>
<RED> 40,9,0</RED>
<YELLOW> 42,9,0</YELLOW> <!-- HH -->
<YELLOW> 22,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW> 46,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW> 26,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW> 27,9,0</YELLOW> <!-- C1 -->
<YELLOW> 28,9,0</YELLOW>
<YELLOW> 57,9,0</YELLOW> <!-- C3 -->
<YELLOW> 52,9,0</YELLOW>
<BLUE> 48,9,0</BLUE> <!-- T1 -->
<BLUE> 50,9,0</BLUE>
<BLUE> 45,9,0</BLUE> <!-- T2 -->
<BLUE> 47,9,0</BLUE>
<ORANGE> 49,9,0</ORANGE> <!-- C2 -->
<ORANGE> 55,9,0</ORANGE>
<ORANGE> 51,9,0</ORANGE> <!-- R -->
<ORANGE> 59,9,0</ORANGE>
<ORANGE> 53,9,0</ORANGE>
<GREEN> 43,9,0</GREEN> <!-- T3 -->
<GREEN> 58,9,0</GREEN>
</BUTTONS>
</DEVICE>

[dominic78]

Thank you for this information, I am just setting up for the first time with the Roland TD-17. I am hoping I am starting in the right place as my kit doesn't seem to be mapped properly. Honestly MIDI stuff is unfamiliar to me. I am technical but with PS, I just cant seem to find much in the way of beginner tutorials that apply to my hardware. I am on the Discord too.

Can just take that .ini file and use it even though I have TD-17 or is there a lot more to this than that? If so, perhaps you can point me in the right direction i.e. tutorials / guides that relate to my setup?

Thanks again!

Setup:
Laptop ASUS TUF DASH F15
Windows 11
Roland TD-17 connected via USB (latest firmware)
Phase Shift 1.27 (haven't checked for updates in a while after giving up upon initial install)