general eof feedback

[knapman [FD]]

im not sure sure how much you are looking for general user feedback on the program but here is a couple of points i imagine could make things work a little smoother just based on my personal experiences with the program so far


you can't see expert+ bass note marking while mouse cursor is over the note, not a problem if you use the menu to set, but if you are using keyboard shortcuts it can give the impression the option is not working

top view green and yellow note shades are too light to give clear contrast against the white outline, not so bad when static but during playback is hard to see, seems like it could easily be knocked down a few shades to improve visual feedback, or maybe just increasing the thickness of the outline would help

for drum charting it seems like it would help to swap the green and purple colours, the menus refer to the purple as green so seems a bit conflicting from a functionality vs visuals perspective

mark new notes as cymbal option does not work when placing notes inline with other notes, as drums work as individual notes and not chords im not sure there is any benefit to this restriction

if you switch open hh back to a yellow tom the open marker stays active

[raynebc]

Nov 19, 2011 11:38:13 GMT knapman [FD] said:

mark new notes as cymbal option does not work when placing notes inline with other notes, as drums work as individual notes and not chords im not sure there is any benefit to this restriction

I'm not sure what you mean here. There was a bug in the past where "mark new notes as cymbals" didn't work when adding gems to existing drum notes, but I fixed this some time ago. I'm seeing something odd happening with cymbal statuses when clicking and dragging to merge drum notes, and I'll have to look into that further. Were you referring to either of those issues or something else?

All other items mentioned are addressed in the latest beta released today (1.8b24).

[knapman [FD]]

yea sounds like the first issue you mentioned, two noticable issues going on when that option is enabled

if i set a note at the same time as another note it will mark as a tom, only works when no other notes are at the same time

also if i set a new note that is not inline with anything else, so it is marked as a cymbal, if I then convert that cymbal back to a tom manually and then place another note at the same time, it will convert the first note back to a cymbal and the one i just added will be a tom

i also noticed with an older chart when importing the midi it didn't have any cymbal markings retained, i'll send you a pm

and i look forward to checking out b24

[raynebc]

This must only happen with certain input methods, because it sure doesn't with Rex Mundi. Which input method are you using?

Also, I examined the chart you sent me, and it has no tom markers. So my guess is that whoever ripped the MIDI must have made a mistake.

[raynebc]

I just fixed several bugs, including those causing the issues you mentioned (clicking and dragging notes to merge them can cause cymbal status to be lost and mark new notes as cymbal not working in some input methods.

[David]

I was wondering if it would be possible to make changing the fret numbers quicker. Is there another way other than the edit note menu? Would be great if you could hold down shift or something and use the mouse wheel on the selected notes.

Thanks
David

[knapman [FD]]

Nov 20, 2011 19:19:05 GMT raynebc said:

This must only happen with certain input methods, because it sure doesn't with Rex Mundi. Which input method are you using?

Also, I examined the chart you sent me, and it has no tom markers. So my guess is that whoever ripped the MIDI must have made a mistake.

i've just been using default the input mode so far

i guess with the midi its down to default handling of songs with no markers, ps defaults to cymbals and eof must default to toms, and in the case of this song it is all cymbals

[raynebc]

Nov 20, 2011 22:13:40 GMT David said:

I was wondering if it would be possible to make changing the fret numbers quicker. Is there another way other than the edit note menu? Would be great if you could hold down shift or something and use the mouse wheel on the selected notes.

If you wanted to set selected notes' fret values to 5, you'd just press CTRL+5. There are various other things such as CTRL+X to set the selected notes to be muted, CTRL+= to increment the fret values, etc. I have a complete guide, more or less, to the keyboard shortcuts in the EOF beta thread at FoF-FF:
www.fretsonfire.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=50698

I think somebody else asked about using the scroll wheel with fret values, and if I did implement that, it would probably be along the lines of increment/decrement fret value functionality. Was this what you had in mind?

I was thinking about adding more functionality to the string shortcut system to make it a preference so that it changes to the last lane you place a gem on, so if you needed to author a chord where the strings had different fret values, you'd just place a gem and use keyboard shortcuts to set it, place another gem to form a chord, set it's fret value, etc. The way it works now is you'd have to open the pro guitar note edit menu to set each string's fret value or something trickier.

Nov 20, 2011 23:00:25 GMT knapman [FD] said:

I've just been using default the input mode so far

i guess with the midi its down to default handling of songs with no markers, ps defaults to cymbals and eof must default to toms, and in the case of this song it is all cymbals

The default is Piano Roll, so that should be working in the next beta. I don't always catch these kinds of bugs because I generally only use RexMundi, which works better for me because I can use both hands at once for charting.

I watched the a Youtube video of that song, it's supposed to have yellow toms, so whoever ripped it made a mistake that caused all the tom markers to be lost. During MIDI import, if EOF finds no tom drums, it assumes RBN1 charting specs (all toms and no cymbals) to preserve backwards compatibility unless the "pro_drums = True" INI tag is present. EOF writes that tag if the chart had all cymbals and no toms, in what is probably the most elegant work around for Harmonix's gaffe regarding Yellow, Blue and Green notes defaulting as cymbals.

[David]

Nov 20, 2011 23:17:11 GMT raynebc said:

I think somebody else asked about using the scroll wheel with fret values, and if I did implement that, it would probably be along the lines of increment/decrement fret value functionality. Was this what you had in mind?

Yes, this is what I was after.

Thanks for the info.
David

[raynebc]

Done. CTRL+scroll will increment/decrement fret values in the next beta.

[David]

Perfect!

Thanks
David