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Post by italianstal1ion on Jun 29, 2011 3:28:37 GMT
Never heard it straight from the horses mouth, but I vaguely remember David saying something about disliking this idea. I don't see why It's a hassle to add silence to old charts, having to set new delays and everything else. I can do my part to make sure I don't have a note on the first beatline, but a lot of other charts don't bother adding silence so they would need to be updated, and then posted for others to download again unless they wanted to do it themselves.
I mean one second or two wouldn't hurt?
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Post by chunkatuff on Jun 29, 2011 4:17:16 GMT
i would say it would be nice if it were optional or if it somehow automatically knew what to do that would be great but i think it should at least be optional.. there are some songs that i basically can't FC because there is no wait time before the song starts and while i'm sure i could add some i don't know how.. i think if it were able to be specified in the song.ini (assuming you can't already) that would be great but i don't know exactly how well that would tie into online play
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Post by raynebc on Jun 29, 2011 4:29:56 GMT
Notes that start at the first beat wouldn't be a problem as long as there's a lead in timer or something that gets the chart scrolling so you can see the notes coming.
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Post by chunkatuff on Jun 29, 2011 5:43:15 GMT
indeed but if i remember correctly i think david had a problem with adding that because for the people who charted things correctly it would take too long for the song to start and then the problem would be shifted from the bad charts to the good charts but don't take that as law cause i could very well be remembering wrong.. actually now that i think about it more i think a good fix to that problem would be having a minimal wait time for the first note.. charts that are charted well will not be pushed back but charts (and the songs that go with them of course) that have no silence at the beginning will be pushed back.. the only thing with this solution (aside from possibly sloppy start times depending on where the first note is) is that some people like to make charts that are tough BECAUSE it starts too soon.. but i've only seen that on the guitar hero 3 engine.. not phase shift.. so i don't think that those charts will matter on any other game anyway
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Post by breadache on Jun 29, 2011 14:29:56 GMT
I actively removed the silence from the start and end of tracks for all of my songs. I don't regard this as bad charting, I was taking consideration of the 3 second count in of Fofix and I know I'm not the only person who does this. I wouldn't regard this as a problem if PS were only to scroll 'into' the chart, if you get my drift. Afterall, there has never been a standardised number of seconds before the first note as far as I'm aware, so saying 'sloppy start times' is meaningless regardless, unless one guide is followed by everybody.
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Post by chunkatuff on Jun 29, 2011 15:37:23 GMT
when i said "sloppy start times" what i was thinking about was if phase shift pushed the start of songs back to a minimum of.. lets say 2 seconds.. so the first note (not the music) would be forced to come after a minimum of 2 seconds.. the music could start before then but if the first note is before the 2 second minimum then it and the music will be pushed back accordingly.. so lets imagine a song that has 1 beat per second.. if this was implemented then the first note could come half a beat after the music starts but before those 2 seconds are up and the music would start at an offset of about 150 i think (and i don't think i have seen any songs start at 1.5 seconds.. it might feel odd that the song would start then.. but i really don't know how it would feel)
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