the open hopo

[knapman [FD]]

as this subject of open hopos come up i thought there may as well be a post covering it

first impression the idea of the open hopo seems like a poorly implimented feature, feel free point out something i may have overlooked but this is my take on the situation

the open note is a strum without holding anything, the idea of the hopo is it can be hit without struming so these are completely conflicting ideas, the open hopo is basically becomes a completely new situation saying do nothing, but the flaw with this is you can sucessfully hit this note while screwing up because you were doing nothing anyway, and not because you went out of your way to do so

the justification behind the open hopo use seems to be for when you want to represent a pull off / release, so to me the better ways to chart this you should be able to represent forced directional hopos where needed

so here i am thinking of something comparable to dj heros scratching system where a you would have 3 types of hopo, a general hopo that can be hit any way, or an option to state specifically if this hopo is hammer on, or a release, maybe represented with up / down arrows on the note, and if it is stated then it must be played in this mannor to hit

this then promotes more accurate charting and use of skill, the players can attempt to play songs closer to how they are supposed to be played, this could potentially work as an expert+ guitar mode, in normal modes all forced directional hopos are just normal to maintain backwards compatibility

to me this sounds like a better system in every way, meets all criteria that the open note is attempting to accomplish but actually improves how songs are charted and played and is completely optional so doesn't break anything

[raynebc]

I agree. There is no guitar playing equivalent to hammering on to play a string open. I'd agree that supporting explicit hammer on's and pull off's separately (for 5 lane guitar/bass and pro guitar/bass tracks) would give charters the most flexibility. Perhaps the pro guitar notation for hammer on and pull off can be used for the 5 lane charts?

[vandorb12]

The way that the guitar hero system works is that you can only "pull off" an open bass note on bass guitar. There's no possible way for that system to handle an open "hammer on" and/or multiple open ho/po (how is it possible? it's not).

I must slightly interject and state I would like be able to play a 1:1 chart of any guitar hero game (post world tour), and be able to play the exact same chart on Phase Shift, as one can play on GH.

But I'm no developer, I'm just a beta tester. I'm overly satisfied with the progress of Phase Shift, and whatever direction the developers go in, I will support.

[raynebc]

I suppose a pull off (plucking the string while doing so) does make a lot more sense.

[knapman [FD]]

if i have read that correctly you are saying the open hopo is actually just a forced release (pulloff) hopo, just without stating what lane it is refering to?

so this is fine then, the method i described offers the same functionality so you can still play the songs as you like

while this system can offer more flexibility as it can be used for hammers and releases so will have a lot more to offer while charting, and visually makes a lot more sense and maintains consistancy

this also doesn't block the other lanes for no reason making situations like a pull off during an extended sustain possible

[vandorb12]

Jun 25, 2011 7:45:12 GMT knapman [FD] said:

if i have read that correctly you are saying the open hopo is actually just a forced release (pulloff) hopo, just without stating what lane it is refering to?

Hit the nail on the head there fatdog. Nail on the head.