Help with adding more detail into songs

[agnate80700]

I have been making songs for phaseshift for a while now. What I actually like to do is make the song and then play it on real drums (kinda like scrolling sheet music or tabs)

I use the guitar hero colors/set up (5-lane drums) because that's what I'm used to, I never use the rock band version.

Heres my problem: on simple songs, the 5lane amazing charts work fine because a yellow means hihat, red means snare and so on. But on certain songs, like Avenged Sevenfold -Blinded by Chains, orange needs to mean heavy crash, splash and ride and I really dont have a way to differentiate them. The same issue applies to open hihats vs sizzle, ghost snare versus regular vs heavy vs rimtap, etc.

The obvious advice here is, use the real drums ya goof and you can get all that detail. The problem with real drums charts is that the colors are not what I'm used to (I am very proficient with the guitar hero colors, and my brain just wont recognize the slight size difference of a blue circle to mean a tom or a cymbal.) I need the cymbals to be yellow/orange... or really, any other color than what the toms are.

So my question is, is there a way to add the detail of rimtap/ghost, open hat/sizzle/closed, heavycrash/lighsplash/ride, etc. to the regular 5lane charts? Or is there a way to change the colors of the lanes of the realdrums charts? Either of these solutions would get me a lot closer to my goal of getting the detail I really want.

(For the record, I've been doing things like... using star power on a single yellow to differentiate a crash from a hihat, or a star power on a single orange to mean a heavy crash vs a string of ride taps. This works... ok... but on long songs or songs that require a lot of this, the game glitches and starts doing all sorts of odd things (like making green notes orange, or removing all star power totally after a certain point)

This might be a super obvious thing but I just cant figure out what to do, sorry if it is.

[Æmetta]

What theme do you use, and what color do you want each of the lanes to be?

[agnate80700]

I use the guitar hero theme and would prefer those colors, but frankly I'd be happy so long as the tom and cymbals are at least different, any color.

[raynebc]

Are you wanting the change the colors within EOF or within Phase Shift?

[Æmetta]

www.dropbox.com/s/4qloczvjzf7quqs/WoR%20Real%20Drums%20Mod.zip?dl=0

Try this out. I made it pretty quickly, so let me know if I missed anything.

To install it, just make a copy of your Guitar Hero theme and copy these files over it, replacing everything. Note that this theme will mess up the green/blue frets on other instruments, so just use it for drums.

Edit: Oh, I just noticed this is in the EOF board. Well, hope this helps anyway.

[agnate80700]

Feb 9, 2016 1:25:53 GMT Æmetta said:

www.dropbox.com/s/4qloczvjzf7quqs/WoR%20Real%20Drums%20Mod.zip?dl=0

Try this out. I made it pretty quickly, so let me know if I missed anything.

To install it, just make a copy of your Guitar Hero theme and copy these files over it, replacing everything. Note that this theme will mess up the green/blue frets on other instruments, so just use it for drums.

Edit: Oh, I just noticed this is in the EOF board. Well, hope this helps anyway.

Sorry about the EOF board part, I was thinking it would be something to do with an option in EOF.

But yeah, this is an excellent start to my optimal situation. And this just as it is will be great (except now I have about 100 songs from GH 4/5/6 I need to transfer over from my xbox, plus update the 22 I made myself... ug...) Just so I understand, I just need to change the colors of those notes/frets right?

I just tried to move over a song from my expert drums to the realdrums, and one thing thats confusing me is on this particular song I now have drums (5lane) drums adv (7lane that basically matches up to the 5lane and doesnt recognize the real drum edits) and drums real (7lane, but now hihat is 3rd from left, yellow notes in EOF marked "yellow cymbal" are now second from left, and what were orange cymbals are now coming down the right-most lane as green toms. Do I need to go through and readjust all of these so that my hihats dont come through as 3rd-from-left? (sorry if this is confusing... see attached pic for what I want.) If I need to keep track myself of what is what as I edit in EOF, thats fine I guess but if theres an easier way to just switch them that'd be nicer.


On a side note... and I feel like now I'm asking for the stars... but there isnt a way to add extra rails is there? haha. it'd be nice to have separate lanes for spash cymbals and the ride... and a ride bell adjustment too... ah, dreams.

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[Æmetta]

If it's not in the stable release, there's a function in the recent EoF hotfixes that lets you select all notes of a certain type... I think. That would be much better than going through each and every note, especially for 22 whole songs.

(Also, sorry to be off-topic, but I just don't understand how many charters' abilities start and end with EoF. This would be trivial to fix in Reaper...)

[raynebc]

Please clarify what fix you're talking about. If there's an easy way to do it in Reaper, there's probably an easy way to do it in EOF.

[agnate80700]

Feb 9, 2016 7:57:50 GMT raynebc said:

Please clarify what fix you're talking about. If there's an easy way to do it in Reaper, there's probably an easy way to do it in EOF.

...reaper?

[raynebc]

It's a high end MIDI editor and digital audio workstation program that Harmonix uses to author their charts.

[agnate80700]

Feb 10, 2016 3:15:46 GMT raynebc said:

It's a high end MIDI editor and digital audio workstation program that Harmonix uses to author their charts.

I see.

Looked into it a bit. Would using reaper to build these charts allow me to be better able to accomplish the detail I'm looking for? I feel like I'm finally proficient with using EOF and even still, building some of these detailed songs takes forever (blinded by chains took like 10 hours or more), I don't want to learn a new program but I would tough it out if it can get me what I want.

sigh. seems like the trouble is the scoring system really, which for my case I dont even need. I'm kinda surprised there isnt something out there for dummers like what I really want already anyway.

[raynebc]

I don't think you'll get much benefit from Reaper unless you want to author vocal harmonies (which aren't supported in Phase Shift anyway) or pro/real keys tracks (which EOF doesn't support). In general, everything else that Phase Shift supports, EOF does too.

[Æmetta]

I didn't mean to derail the thread, that wasn't a suggestion to use Reaper. What I mean is I'm not sure there's an easy way to fix your cymbal problem using EoF.

[raynebc]

I'm still not sure of what exact chart modification is being suggested. EOF has lots of different selection functions that might do the trick.

[agnate80700]

No worries, I'm just trying to make sure I fully understand whats doable and whats not.

A sort of related question, is there a reason adding the hihat/snare etc details to the regular drum mode is fully disallowed through EOF? Is it because phase shift isnt able to display those details in the regular 5-rail mode?