Accented Drum Notes

[italianstal1ion]

This is a feature introduced by Guitar Hero World Tour. I thought the idea was interesting - you mark certain notes that can be hit harder (to match the force played in the song) and you get some bonus for doing so. This might be pretty difficult considering you would have to register the velocity that the player hits along with the hit itself. (Though, that could evolve into a much more advanced charting scene...if each drum part was marked with it's appropriate velocity, then that would add a whole new dimension to the scoring. The closer you are to the correct velocity, the more points you get. Like pitch recognition for vocals in a way.)

Anyway, guitar hero is real simple. Here is a picture: www.interactivegamingparty.com/how%20to%20play%20gh%20world%20tour.htm (middle lane is drums. The red+yellow with the extra circle on top is the accented, or "armored" note. It doesn't require the player to hit harder, it just gives them a bonus if they do).

Though if you do implement that, you can score it any way you like (I'm thinking maybe just a little bonus for the starpower instead of note score), but I thought you'd be interested in the details of how GH does it. From the scorehero forums:

Scoring

(Numbers in parentheses represent scores at 4x Multiplier)
[Numbers in brackets represent armor note scores at 4x Multiplier]

World Tour Drum Kit Charts

Bass Pedal: 75 points (300)
Orange Cymbal: 60 points (240) [360]
Red/Yellow/Green/Blue Pads: 50 points (200) [300]

You multiply a note's value by 1.5x to achieve how much you would get if it was an armor note.

[raynebc]

This is a pretty interesting idea. RB3 (and apparently RB2) drum kits also track some amount of velocity for hits. I don't think it's very granular, something along the lines of a scale of 5 or 6 different hit strengths can be detected, but it could be useful to score bonuses for hitting ghost notes lightly or accent notes strongly. If Phase Shift adds this, I'd have no problem adding it to EOF.

[David]

I have made progress on this but I have been set back by the fact that only 3 XBOX 360 kits can be supported because of driver limitations on PS3/PS2 kits. It just didn't seem fair to add an advantage to players with certain kits. When I get MIDI In Devices working I'll be more likely to continue working on it.

Thanks
David

[raynebc]

Alright, when you start on it again, let me know when you decide how you'd like ghost/accent notes to be marked in the MIDI.

[predator]

This would be great, as a die hard Guitar Hero player I would love this. However I don't like the idea that the closer to the set velocity, the more points you get. You should only be required to hit over the set amount and then get a fixed amount of points.

[knapman [FD]]

for ballance it may be best to add without any score bonus, just have it there for an optional challenge, then it does not matter if all controllers can support it, the results screen can show it as an extra stat to show how many you hit / missed

[italianstal1ion]

That's true - then it would be for bragging rights and wouldn't require a certain controller. I think showing it as an extra statistic is just as good.

[jlestudios]

Jun 29, 2011 20:42:07 GMT italianstal1ion said:

That's true - then it would be for bragging rights and wouldn't require a certain controller. I think showing it as an extra statistic is just as good.

yes I agree that it should not require a 2nd controller. it should be put in for the cosmetic look. I hope accents are being strongly considered.

[David]

I've been looking at some of the GH rips and can't see anything defining the accent notes. Does anyone else have any idea if they are ripped?

raynebc: If there is no standard can we just go with setting the velocity to whatever value you want it to be. I can then set a cut off range in the game. i.e. if the velocity is above 64 then it's a hard hit otherwise it's a soft hit. I've seen that the RB charts use 127 for all hits and GH use 100 for all this might be an issue as by default the game will detect all notes as hard hits. So this might require a song.ini tag to define that you are using accent notes.
drum_velocity = 1

I'm more of a fan of integers than boolean as it allow for future changes. As we could have drum_velocity = 2 to mean something else.

Thanks
David

[raynebc]

Whatever works is fine by me. Rock Band doesn't make use of the velocity during normal gameplay, but I think it might change the drum sounds during freestyle mode. I've never tried it, so I can't be sure.

[David]

OK, I'll look into that.

Thanks
David

[vandorb12]

I can't say for certain, but I know all of the official RB2 and later drum kits have velocity sensitive pads. I use a RB1 Wii drum kit (old school!) and i know for certain it does not have velocity sensitive heads.

[italianstal1ion]

General drum info;
Here is a little info on GH drums in general: guitarhero.wikia.com/wiki/Drums
Probably the most useful quote: "In GH5, Band Hero, and GH WOR, freeforms no longer grant extra points but can raise the rock meter. If star power is used while in a freeform the rock meter will ascend faster." - so perhaps no score bonus but rockmeter help?

Searching for accented notation...no luck so far.

[vandorb12]

after reading that wiki article I didn't know about "ghost notes". I wonder if the devs will implement this feature...

[David]

We have ghost notes in Real Guitar and Bass Modes. Not sure of the notation in Legacy.

David